During November Music 2022, Aad van Nieuwkerk and Anne-Maartje Lemereis had the opportunity to speak with composer Patrick van Deurzen about his new music-theatrical work, Mancha Mancha. This piece, created for two pianists and two baritones, was a highlight of the festival. Van Deurzen shared the creative process behind this intimate, yet impactful composition, which blended theatrical elements with intricate music for a unique performance experience. The work's exploration of narrative and sound created a special moment during the festival, and Van Deurzen spoke about the challenges and inspiration behind melding music and theater in such a small-scale format.